The Harvard Data Science Review Podcast featured Dirk Hofmann and Ulla Kruhse-Lehtonen, co-founders and co-CEOs of DAIN Studios, in an episode on agentic AI and what it takes to make it work in real organisational settings.
The conversation focuses on how agentic AI changes day-to-day work when systems can reason, plan, and act within workflows. It also covers the practical “mindware” teams need, plus the governance and operating decisions that determine whether this becomes a dependable capability.
What the episode covers
- How agentic AI differs from traditional automation, and why outcomes matter more than outputs
- How humans and AI agents can work together responsibly in operational workflows
- The link to the HDSR article The Agent-Centric Enterprise and the related course Agentic AI: Contextualized and Applied

In the media
Harvard Data Science Review Podcast
Jan 2026
Agentic AI in real workflows: governance, collaboration, outcomes
Dirk Hofmann and Ulla Kruhse-Lehtonen discuss what changes when AI moves from assisting to acting alongside teams, and what it takes to apply agentic systems responsibly.
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